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 Post subject: ebay and fakes
PostPosted: 2008-04-28 21:23:59
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Im fairly new to ebay but the recent ebay Les Paul fake thread has got
me thinking about the way their system seemed almost to help a
fraudulent seller to pull off his escapade.

In the case of the Stunning Les Paul, I submitted two questions but
they never appeared on the listing. Presumably because it was a private
auction.

The fact that it was private also had the effect that no-one with any
doubts could even contact bidders to warn them.

Several of us contacted ebay to point out the potential issues with the
auction but aside from an automatic response, I for one have had no
feedback whatsoever.

It seems that ebay arent interested in giving buyers some form of forum
in which they can discuss these issues.

Now, whenever I book a hotel or a holiday, I always have a quick look at
the various independent review sites, holidays uncovered, trip advisor
or suchlike. The kind of thing where I can enter a hotel name and
location and get feedback from other punters. this has got me wondering:

What do you think are the legal issues behind setting up a similar thing
for ebay auctions?

A site where people could enter independent observations on individual
ebay listings. A prospective bidder could then enter an ebay item number
and see if anyone has expressed any opinions on it.

Technically speaking, it would be reasonably easy to do with one or
other of the server-side technologies, backed by a database.

Of course, if successful, the database *could* grow rather large fairly
quickly. That could result in the need to generate revenue fairly quickly.

anyway, just musing. Probably a daft idea.

/MikeB


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 Post subject: ebay and fakes
PostPosted: 2008-04-28 21:59:53
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:23:59 +0100, MikeB wrote:

> Im fairly new to ebay but the recent ebay Les Paul fake thread has got
> me thinking about the way their system seemed almost to help a
> fraudulent seller to pull off his escapade.
>
> In the case of the Stunning Les Paul, I submitted two questions but
> they never appeared on the listing. Presumably because it was a private
> auction.

No, as a seller answering questions, you have the choice of whether or not
to have the answer displayed. When I sell stuff, I choose this option if it
adds something to the description that I omitted when listing, or if it
will save others having to answer the same question.
I can see that this is no help when dealing with fraudulent sellers but, as
a bona fide OK Joe, I dont much fancy the alternative - I have a right to
control how an item Im selling is presented, and forcing the display of
questions & answers would be prone to abuse.

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 Post subject: ebay and fakes
PostPosted: 2008-04-28 22:26:05
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MikeB wrote in message
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> Im fairly new to ebay but the recent ebay Les Paul fake thread has got me
> thinking about the way their system seemed almost to help a fraudulent
> seller to pull off his escapade.

Yes they are very slow to react.
>
> In the case of the Stunning Les Paul, I submitted two questions but they
> never appeared on the listing. Presumably because it was a private
> auction.

The seller can choose if the question along with their answer is
published on the listing, I find this useful if its an experts comment
on an item being sold, this would have the effect of giving credibility
to the item, your mail along with mine and countless others didnt show
on the listing because........obvious.
>
> The fact that it was private also had the effect that no-one with any
> doubts could even contact bidders to warn them.

This can be a bit of a double edged sword, it does protect
buyers from being contacted directly by fellow bidders/
scammers/ offer of similar items but cheaper etc., the bidder
may also wish to keep their anonymity?. but as you point out
there was no contact and TBH I dont think this is an issue.
>
> Several of us contacted ebay to point out the potential issues with the
> auction but aside from an automatic response, I for one have had no
> feedback whatsoever.
>
No surprise there then.

> It seems that ebay arent interested in giving buyers some form of forum
> in which they can discuss these issues.
>
> Now, whenever I book a hotel or a holiday, I always have a quick look at
> the various independent review sites, holidays uncovered, trip advisor or
> suchlike. The kind of thing where I can enter a hotel name and location
> and get feedback from other punters. this has got me wondering:

Checking on a service industry as opposed to goods is - I believe very
different.

> What do you think are the legal issues behind setting up a similar thing
> for ebay auctions?
>
> A site where people could enter independent observations on individual
> ebay listings. A prospective bidder could then enter an ebay item number
> and see if anyone has expressed any opinions on it.
>
> Technically speaking, it would be reasonably easy to do with one or other
> of the server-side technologies, backed by a database.
>
> Of course, if successful, the database *could* grow rather large fairly
> quickly. That could result in the need to generate revenue fairly quickly.

There are discussion boards within ebay (community) where it states
personal disputes are not permitted? TBH I have never used any of
the BBS.
> anyway, just musing. Probably a daft idea.

Not daft just pointing out how ebay could be more diligent in spotting
the tiny minority of less than acceptable traders.
>
> /MikeB

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 Post subject: ebay and fakes
PostPosted: 2008-04-28 21:56:05
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nog wrote:
> forcing the display of
> questions & answers would be prone to abuse.
>

How? I cant see any way that could happen. Sellers are free to lie in
their answers with little comeback. eBay will only take action for
unhappy customers if the item is *significantly* not as described.

Id possibly like it to go further and have unmoderated comments on each
page.


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 Post subject: ebay and fakes
PostPosted: 2008-04-28 15:03:13
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On 28 Apr, 21:23, MikeB wrote:
> Im fairly new to ebay but the recent ebay Les Paul fake thread has got
> me thinking about the way their system seemed almost to help a
> fraudulent seller to pull off his escapade.
>
> In the case of the Stunning Les Paul, I submitted two questions but
> they never appeared on the listing. Presumably because it was a private
> auction.
>
> The fact that it was private also had the effect that no-one with any
> doubts could even contact bidders to warn them.
>
> Several of us contacted ebay to point out the potential issues with the
> auction but aside from an automatic response, I for one have had no
> feedback whatsoever.
>
> It seems that ebay arent interested in giving buyers some form of forum
> in which they can discuss these issues.
>
> Now, whenever I book a hotel or a holiday, I always have a quick look at
> the various independent review sites, holidays uncovered, trip advisor
> or suchlike. The kind of thing where I can enter a hotel name and
> location and get feedback from other punters. this has got me wondering:
>
> What do you think are the legal issues behind setting up a similar thing
> for ebay auctions?
>
> A site where people could enter independent observations on individual
> ebay listings. A prospective bidder could then enter an ebay item number
> and see if anyone has expressed any opinions on it.
>
> Technically speaking, it would be reasonably easy to do with one or
> other of the server-side technologies, backed by a database.
>
> Of course, if successful, the database *could* grow rather large fairly
> quickly. That could result in the need to generate revenue fairly quickly.
>
> anyway, just musing. Probably a daft idea.
>
> /MikeB

I think it takes a certain type of person to shell out large sums of
money on items they have never seen touched smelt felt etc .
Thankfully im not one of em ....... Long live the shop!


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 Post subject: ebay and fakes
PostPosted: 2008-04-29 00:48:13
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MikeB wrote in message
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> A site where people could enter independent observations on individual
> ebay listings. A prospective bidder could then enter an ebay item number
> and see if anyone has expressed any opinions on it.

You could try here:-

http://www.paypalsucks.com/forums/showforum.php?fid=16

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 Post subject: ebay and fakes
PostPosted: 2008-04-29 06:52:15
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:56:05 GMT, performingchimp wrote:

> nog wrote:
>> forcing the display of
>> questions & answers would be prone to abuse.
>>
>
> How? I cant see any way that could happen. Sellers are free to lie in
> their answers with little comeback. eBay will only take action for
> unhappy customers if the item is *significantly* not as described.

True, but its a small minority who do that (lie, that is). I agree that
Ebay are pretty useless on the policing front but, OTOH, they arent
qualified to identify dodgy goods reliably, particularly in a
classification as specialised as musical instruments. If they responded
immediately - and without checking - to every report/complaint about active
auctions, I suspect that the collateral damage would be quite high.

> Id possibly like it to go further and have unmoderated comments on each
> page.

In a world where everybody behaved properly, yes but, as well as permitting
what you intend, such a feature would likely be another outlet for
vendettas and mischief.

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 Post subject: ebay and fakes
PostPosted: 2008-04-29 12:50:39
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icarusi wrote:
> MikeB wrote in message
> news:EnqRj.28937$wc2.23417@en-nntp-01.am2.easynews.com...
>
>> A site where people could enter independent observations on individual
>> ebay listings. A prospective bidder could then enter an ebay item number
>> and see if anyone has expressed any opinions on it.
>
> You could try here:-
>
> http://www.paypalsucks.com/forums/showforum.php?fid=16
>
> icarusi
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Hmmm. It seems someone beat me to it!

/MikeB


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